Posts by Marvin Shilmer

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

"We need to work together to fix the system that allowed this to happen."—The Brown family, http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/justice/ferguson-grand-jury-decision/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Now just think about that piece of sage advice.

What system “allowed” Michael Brown to feel it was right to steal from a retail store?

What system “allowed” Michael Brown to feel is was right to threaten violence on a defenseless storekeeper?

Fixing a system starts inside a family unit at the moment a new member is born into that family.

After that fixing a system moves to the immediate community that family identifies itself with and is embraced by.

My questions are:

1. What is the Brown family changing to correct the system it allowed to let Michael Brown grow up thinking it okay to steal and threaten violence on innocent folk?

2. What is the immediate community the Brown family identifies itself with and is embraced by changing to correct the system it allowed to let Michael Brown grow up thinking it okay to steal and threaten violence on innocent folk?

Until these base units of social structure act to correct whatever “system” each exerts I contend it will be a nearly fruitless effort for further downstream social structures to correct things for them.

My recommendations:

1. The Brown family should act upon its own advice by correcting whatever it did that “allowed” Michael Brown to act as he did.

2. Whatever immediate community embraced the Brown family and which the Brown family identified with should likewise act upon the Brown family’s advice by correcting whatever it did that “allowed” Michael Brown to act as he did.

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

Again we keep hearing the same complaint / accusations being made: "this is an example of how black lives are not valued"

I agree Simon. Only education will solve that bit of utter ignorance. Men and women convinced of that are about as educated as men and women swayed by neo-Nazism.

Persons who value black lives as less because of skin color are ignorant fools, and often are the offspring of ignorant fools. Ignorant fools do not tend to be swayed by criminal protests but, rather, tend to find confirmation by such behavior.

Educated persons do not hold black lives as less valuable.

So what do we have? Ignorant folks acting in a way that convinces other ignorant folks that their foolish thinking is valid.

When ethnic disparity exists history shows an efficient method of raising the disparaged to parity is for the disparaged community to raise itself up rather than that disparaged group looking for someone else to raise them up.

Who in the black community owns this method by working tirelessly to help their community raise itself up? What black community leadership focuses on addressing and correcting bad behavior within its own ranks first and foremost?

To non-violent and civil protestors out there, regardless of national origin, race, religion, gender, age or anything else, I say “Good for you!!! How can assist you?”

To thugs and so-called “leaders” who fail to prioritize addressing and correcting bad behavior within their own ranks first and foremost I say, “Shame on you!!! You carry a boatload of guilt!!! If and when you decide to start helping your community raise itself up then start with candid talk to your own, and put your OWN MONEY where your mouth is.”

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

MB was a fellon who instigated the incidenct

Indeed! Oh, and I don't see anyone disputing Brown's criminal activity.

So we have one man who just came off helping save the life of a child and we have another man who just came off an act of thievery and threatened violence.

Glad the child-saving man was able to walk away from the incident. Wish the other man could have too. But then the other man chose to run from the police rather than pony up for his theivery and threatened violence.

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

My summary of what is going on at the Ferguson event:

-- I see ignorant people acting like ignorant people. That's about it.

My recommendation for those displeased by the Ferguson grand jury:

-- Register to vote and then use your registration.

Between voting opportunities I recommend focusing on education and productive work, whether it be for profit or charity.

Now we return to the regularly expected mayhem of ignorant people engaged in nonproductive drama. Right now it appears they're burning and robbing their own neighborhood. I guess we know now why the governer called up the guard.

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Michael Brown verdict discussion policy

by Simon in

it's likely that the grand jury verdict on the michael brown incident will be released in the coming days or weeks.. i've no doubt many people are going to feel strongly about things whatever the verdict is.. whatever the outcome though, here's what's not going to happen:.

we're not going to put up with inflamatory language and comments designed to rile others up.

be respectful.. we will not allow accusations of racism simply because some have a view of the verdict that contradicts others.. there will not be invented evidence or claims being repeated - if it's been falsely reported or debunked then it's off limits.. it's not going to be an opportunity for people to air past gripes over past discussions.. if you feel that you cannot discuss the subject in a rational way then it may be better to simply avoid any topics on the matter.. please try to be objective and respectful if you do decide to comment and not keen to take offense.

Marvin Shilmer

Main thing to do if pulled over by a traffic cop in the USA:

- KEEP YOUR HANDS IN PLAIN SIGHT for the patrol officer to see at all times!!!

If you have to dig around in the car looking for something LET THE COP KNOW BEFORE REACHING.

Don't forget the cop wants to get home alive too!

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How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

by minimus in

jw
friends

it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

Marvin Shilmer

If you ask any JW what prophecies the WTS has made / got right then they will invariable say something about predicting 1914.

And that's a real piece of irony because THE ONE THING so many JWs think Watchtower got right is one of the biggest failed predictions of all.

Watchtower PREDICTED that armageddon would culminate in 1914. But guess what? Didn't happen. End of story. 1914 stands as one of Watchtower's all time biggest failed predictions.

Here: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/05/taught-what-about-1914.html

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How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

by minimus in

jw
friends

it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

Marvin Shilmer

I say,

"Label it however you want, the fact is the Watchtower organization has repeatedly predicted specific world shaking events and those predictions turned out false."

Oh, and when SOMEONE ELSE does this the Watchtower organizations calls it "hollow prophecy"

Hollow Prophecy

http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/12/watchtower-hollow-prophecy.html

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Michael Brown verdict discussion policy

by Simon in

it's likely that the grand jury verdict on the michael brown incident will be released in the coming days or weeks.. i've no doubt many people are going to feel strongly about things whatever the verdict is.. whatever the outcome though, here's what's not going to happen:.

we're not going to put up with inflamatory language and comments designed to rile others up.

be respectful.. we will not allow accusations of racism simply because some have a view of the verdict that contradicts others.. there will not be invented evidence or claims being repeated - if it's been falsely reported or debunked then it's off limits.. it's not going to be an opportunity for people to air past gripes over past discussions.. if you feel that you cannot discuss the subject in a rational way then it may be better to simply avoid any topics on the matter.. please try to be objective and respectful if you do decide to comment and not keen to take offense.

Marvin Shilmer

Giordano,

Thanks for sharing that video. I've seen things like that before. That policeman made so many mistakes, beginning with his way-too-fast approach to the driver he'd just pulled over. Way too fast of an approach!

In this case the traffic stop was over a seatbelt violation. And the driver ends up getting shot. And the driver's crime worth getting shot over was? Doing precisely what the policeman told him to do.

Hope that former police officer never again holds authority in law enforcement, and I hope he never is permitted to carry a concealed weapon.

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NFL bans Player for using a 'switch' on his son

by designs in

nfl commissioner roger goodell placed minnesota viking's player adrian peterson on indefinite suspension for using extreme measures in disciplining his son using a tree branch switch.. sports illustrated covered details about how the process works with the players union, the player, and the nfl.. www.si.com/nfl/2014/11/17/minnesota-vikings-adrian-peterson-suspended.

i remember vivid scenes in kingdom halls and in the homes of jws who used extreme measures to discipline their children.

a father and assistant p.o.

Marvin Shilmer

Watchtower on THE WOODSHED

http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/07/watchtower-and-woodshed.html

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Michael Brown verdict discussion policy

by Simon in

it's likely that the grand jury verdict on the michael brown incident will be released in the coming days or weeks.. i've no doubt many people are going to feel strongly about things whatever the verdict is.. whatever the outcome though, here's what's not going to happen:.

we're not going to put up with inflamatory language and comments designed to rile others up.

be respectful.. we will not allow accusations of racism simply because some have a view of the verdict that contradicts others.. there will not be invented evidence or claims being repeated - if it's been falsely reported or debunked then it's off limits.. it's not going to be an opportunity for people to air past gripes over past discussions.. if you feel that you cannot discuss the subject in a rational way then it may be better to simply avoid any topics on the matter.. please try to be objective and respectful if you do decide to comment and not keen to take offense.

Marvin Shilmer

This thing about j-moseying down the middle of the road is something I've often noticed. When there's automotive traffic on the street it's dangerous, it's rude, it's annoying, and it's needless. It's almost as though it's done to intentionally annoy drivers who'd otherwise be perfectly content to slow down and/or wait for a person to walk across the street who is using at least a normal speed gait.

Then there's those j-walkers who do the same thing crossing the street.

Am I the only one who sees these?

I can definitely believe a traffic cop seeing one of these j-moseying-walkers would take time to direct the walkers to the sidewalk! That's where they belong! That's no stretch at all to me.